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Subject R value of cordwood wall
Message by zoub on November 01 2009 at 8:45 am  
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it's zoub from france
I have a question about the exact value of R value of a cordwood wall
rob roy says that R is about 20 for 16"
i've baught a french book about ecologic insulation and the author says that for cordwood wall R is 1,62 to 3,07 for 16"

a strawball wall has an R value of 6
i think that cordwood wall has an R value less than 6 (because air flow around the logs, shrinkage,...)

is someone have more informations about this question ?
Where is it possible to see (or buy) the university manitoba's test for corwood ?
thank's for the answer and sorry for my bad english
zoub

zoub

Message by sandman on November 01 2009 at 9:44 am  
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Hi Zoub

   The CoCoCo (Continental Cordwood Conference 2005) Papers, from the latest Cordwood convention, include the article "Thermal Monitoring of a Stackwall/Cordwood) Wall in Northern Temperature Climate , by Kris J. Dick, Ph.D. and Luke Chaput from the University of Manitoba . Papers available here through Daycreek.

   To summarize - a 24" cordwood wall with sawdust insulation, resulted in R-1.47 per inch or R-35 for the 24" wall. The test was done accurately using multiple temperature sensors through out the dynamics of the wall over 3 months of Manitoba mid winter conditions.

In our home "The Cordstead" we used closed cell injected expanding foam in our single log cordwood wall & believe we have addressed air infiltration issues in our home as well as obtaining a high R wall value approx R-33.5. Others have done this as well.

   Richard Flatau just recently installed expanding foam insulation on one of his work shops

   Alan here at Daycreek used open cell foam in his double log cordwood walled home.

     We have available our "The Cordstead Collection"
disc describing in detail our Foam installation, other assorted papers and building experience. If you're interested.

Good luck with your research
   

   

"The Cordstead"
http://thecordstead.blogspot.com/
Sandman

Message by Richard Flatau on November 01 2009 at 10:55 am   -  forum moderator
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Hello Zoub,

 

   Thank you Sandy for such a good explanation.   To elaborate just a little, here is a brief quote from Dr. Kris Dick's seven page document entitled

 

Thermal Monitoring of Stackwall / Cordwood Walls

in a Northern Temperate Climate

 

by Kris J. Dick, Ph.D., P.Eng.

 "The scope of this project is to build two Stackwall / cordwood model walls to evaluate their thermal performance. The test walls were constructed within the Department of Biosystems Engineering Strawbale Research Facility at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. One facing North the other South. Once the walls were constructed a temporary heat source was used to provide a constant inside room temperature. Temperature measurements at the outside, middle and inside of the logs were recorded over a period of approximately three months during the winter of 2004-2005.  The difference in outside ambient temperature and inside temperature as well as the temperature gradient through the logs was used to develop the apparent R-value of the logs. Temperature measurements in the outside and inside mortar beds as well as in the insulated void between the mortar beds were recorded to develop an overall R value for the entire thermal mass.  Based on the average heat transfer of the system as well as the average change in temperature across the wall system for the data collected, the experimental RSI value was determined at 6.23 (m2K/W).

When converted into imperial units the total R-value is 35 (for a 24" wall) or 1.47 R- per inch."  end quote

 

 This means that for a cordwood wall which has been in place for a heating season and had any primary checks sealed and any log loosening dealt with (Permachink/Log Jam caulk) that the R-value per inch of a cordwood wall (log end, mortar matrix and insulation--in this case sawdust & lime) is 1.47.  That translates to R 23.5 for a 16" cordwood wall and R-35 for a 24" cordwood wall according to these tests.  

 

The full document, with pictures and mathematical explanation is available in the document Cordwood and the Code: A Building Permit Guide.  If you are interested in obtaining the full document go to http://www.daycreek.com/dc/html/dcrflatau3.stm

 

Richard Flatau
Cordwood Construction Resources, LLC
Merrill, WI 54452

flato@aol.com
www.daycreek.com/flatau
715-212-2870

 


Message by zoub on November 01 2009 at 3:11 pm  
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hi
thank's for the answers
     
I just understand that rob roy speaks in imperial units
so a R 20 in imperial units converted in RSI is 3,52 (it's approximatively the same value than in the book i have bought)

an other question:
what are the difference between "Cordwood Conference Papers 2005 CD" and "Cordwood and the Code: A Building Permit Guide + CD"
i search results of manitoba test's: what is the best document for this ?

sandman:
you speaks about "expanding foam insulation ..."
what's about the chemical risk about foam insulation ?

i read this "Some forms of expanding foam insulation contain hazardous chemicals. These chemicals can used lung cancer and skin-related problems. Therefore, expanding foam insulation must be installed while taking proper precautions to avoid these hazardous chemicals. Besides these chemicals, some forms of expanding foam won't be as effective over time as others."

thank's for the answer
zoub



zoub

Message by sandman on November 01 2009 at 4:19 pm  
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Here is a link that could answer a lot of your questions about foam
Fomo Foam

There is some off gassing during installation, But wearing protective clothing, done out doors and installed in a sandwich of mortar there is, in my opinion, little risk.


"The Cordstead"
http://thecordstead.blogspot.com/
Sandman

Message by Richard Flatau on November 01 2009 at 8:32 pm   -  forum moderator
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Zoub writes:

"an other question:
what are the difference between "Cordwood Conference Papers 2005 CD" and "Cordwood and the Code: A Building Permit Guide + CD"
i search results of manitoba test's: what is the best document for this ?" 

    Cordwood and the Code: A Building Permit Guide has the entire seven page document from Dr. Kris Dick, P Eng. on R-value (Thermal Resistance). This is the best document for the full testing report.

   It also has two University Fire Resistance Tests (U of New Brunswick and U of Manitoba),  a Blower Door Test on a 16" cordwood home,  Certified Compression Tests for cordwood mortar, Res Check software to compute your heating load and building permit passibility, Cordwood in a Seismic Three Zone, two sets of building plans and permits and a CD of the entire document to help in your own building permit application.

The table of Contents from Cordwood and the Code: A Building Permit Guide

Introduction.

Conversations with a Wisconsin Code Official

Thermal Monitoring of Stackwall / Cordwood Walls.

Fire Resistance of a Cordwood Wall

Fire Endurance Test of a Non-Load-Bearing Wall

Certified Compression Tests for Cordwood Mortar

Cordwood Masonry in a Seismic Three Zone.

REScheck, Building Permits and a Sample Document

References:  Websites, Books & Contact Information.

Appendix A: Sample Document

   The Cordwood Conference Papers 2005 CD has a one page summary of the R-value testing at the U of Manitoba.  However, all the articles are in full color and all the power point presentations from the Conference are on the CD as well.

Table of Contents:  Cordwood Conference Papers 2005

 

The collection of papers fall under a number of possible categories: case studies, innovations, technical, and code issues, just to name a few. Many of the papers would be appropriate in two or three different categories. After brainstorming the situation, the editors have decided to present the papers in alphabetical order by author(s), with the exception of those grouped in a special separate document: Cordwood and the Code: A Building Permit Guide.

 

 

Introduction (Flatau, Roy, Stankevitz)

This Little House (Adolphsen)

Balewood (Allemang)

My Cordwood Dorm Room (Barna)

Pompanuck Farm’s Cordwood Sauna (Carrino)

Frost-Protected Shallow Foundation (Clidaras)

Log-End Treatment and Insulation Techniques (Clidaras)

Bright and Airy (Davidson)

Deterioration of a Cordwood Building (Dick)

Thermal Monitoring of Stackwall / Cordwood Walls (Dick)

Cordwood Siding (Flatau)

“Stackwood” Jack Henstridge (Flatau)

My Cordwood House (Gerdes)

Starwood (Gormley)

Field of Cordwood Dreams (Higgins)

Pattern Language (Huber)

Papercrete Revisited (Juczak)

Cordwood on a Basement (Kienitz)

“Wraparound” Log Ends (Kilgore)

Moving Mud (Martinek)

Some Cordwood Tips Learned (Robson)

Thirty Years of Cordwood Mud (Roy)

Octagonal Timber Frame (Roy)

Stand Back from the Wall!(Roy)

Using Lime Mortar (Roy)

Recycling Brings Rewards (Shockey)

Foam Home (Stankevitz)

What’s Black & White and Mortared All Over? (Stankevitz)

Sponsors

 

Richard Flatau
Cordwood Construction Resources, LLC
Merrill, WI 54452

flato@aol.com
www.daycreek.com/flatau
715-212-2870


 


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